joining us now is simon perry, senior partner at inston young. a 13-figure sum. this is really referred to as -- need to energize off the sidelines and put into some sort of a vehicle. why to you think this hasn't been put to work just yet? >> i think the trillion number that's mentioned in the article you're referring to is not a number i recognize. i think the number is probably more like half that. >> so not $200 billion, you think it's about $100 billion? >> you mentioned the trillion, 200 of which relates to the 2007 and 2008 funds. 2007 and 2008 were definitely peak years for dry powder. that's the committed funds that haven't yet been spent on new investments. but it's actually been falling since then. it's quite a complicated issue. there are a number of reasons why fans haven't been investing, but although investments were at a peak in 2007 and 2008, there have been substantial investments through the subsequent years. >> so if there is cash that some of these private equities firms are sitting on and it's not to the extent that you think it is, do you t